Bad for Shidduchim

September 1, 2008

Your Bovine Value

Filed under: being single, dating fun — bad4shidduchim @ 7:26 pm

Somehow, Bina magazine came up in conversation at the Shobbos table.

“What’s Bina magazine?” asked my not-so-culturally grounded father.

“It’s the magazine that knows what you want,” answered my very culturally grounded sister. When that failed to elucidate, she explained, “At least, that’s what their ads say.”

“It’s a women’s magazine,” I explained.

“Like Mishpacha,” added my mother.

“Oh.” Said my father. Then, to my sister, “Well, do they?”

Her turn to look blank.

“Know what you want,” he clarified.

She shrugged. “I don’t know. The know-it-all line really turns me off. I’ve never read it.”

I hazarded an overview: “It’s like any women’s magazine. Everything you need to know to be a frum woman in New York. Recipes, home decorating, family care, human interest – “

“ – marrying off your daughter?”

“That too.”

“Well what magazine is complete without mention of shidduchim?” was my father’s sardonic analysis, meaning frum magazines, of course.
“Ahdunno, I can think of a few that do very nicely,” I said, not meaning frum magazines at all. All eyes turned to me. “National Geographic comes to mind.”

There was a flurry of protest; not the least compelling was the argument that National Geographic does deal in shidduchim, just not the orthodox variety, rather more often the sort that includes livestock trades.

Well, I confess, that made me wonder. I mean, wouldn’t you? “How many cows would you ask for me?” I asked eagerly. Granted, it’s a tad demeaning to imagine that any number of bovine specimens can equal oneself in value, but it’s a good thing to know. Well, maybe not good, but interesting.

“Apparently too many.” Now it was my mother’s turn to be sardonic.

“You think that’s the problem?” my father was all paternal concern. “Maybe we should lower the price.”

“I think so. Nothing else seems to work.”

Great. Bad4! Now at a new, reduced price, this week only! Come and get her while she lasts!

On second thought, though, I don’t think the cow-trading business would really work in a community as large as ours. Trading women for livestock works nicely in small villages where the choice is pretty small. There are a few pretty girls, a few able girls, some ugly ones… and each gets their own price. But open the market to hundreds of possibilities, and it would get as messy as the stock exchange on Monday morning. Plus, as we see in our community, people get pickier. How do you price a homely, highly educated, culinarily-challenged, wealthy girl, versus a pretty, moderately educated, gourmet, middle-income one, when there are also pretty, clever, but poor girls? And of course these summaries sound highly inadequate because there are so many more factors that we want today – sparkling personalities, mutual attraction, pleasant companions, similar interests, and so on. You can place a cow value on a dishwashing-dinner cooking-home cleaning-child bearing commodity, but a loyal companion, helpmeet, partner and support for life, BFF… isn’t that priceless?

26 Comments »

  1. Have you considered camels and pick-up trucks? There is a market which trades young ladies for those commodities. Just to the east of Yerushalayim. We could get a benchmark there…

    Comment by James Dean — September 1, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  2. Uhh.. I don’t think that’s quite appropriate. Funny, but not appropriate.

    Comment by Jenny (Home Decor) Jankins — September 1, 2008 @ 8:35 pm

  3. Bad4! Now at a new, reduced price, this week only! Come and get her while she lasts!

    Perhaps buy one, get one half off? :-p

    Comment by Knitter of Shiny Things — September 1, 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  4. i’d love to meet ur family

    Comment by lil' me — September 1, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

  5. Nah, you got it backwards. B”H we’re not in the Israeli shidduch world. There, not only does the family have to provide the “best” girl, they also have to provide the apartment or there’s no deal!

    Comment by Yom Tova — September 1, 2008 @ 9:59 pm

  6. You could do some sort of variation of the Shidduch Desirability Equation–like, multiply the resulting number by two (or divide, depending on inflation) to find out how much livestock a girl is worth.

    And then you could do it both ways, calculating AWC (Average Worth in Cattle) for the boy too, and the richer set of in-laws could do the buying. (Like:
    -Black hat?
    Shabbos.
    -Tzitzis tucked . . . ?
    In.
    -Hmmm . . . I give you . . . twenty-two.
    Learns nights, college by day.
    -No! Twenty cows for such shtusim!)

    Come to think of it, that adds a whole world of meaning to “I am sixteen going on seventeen,” from SoM . . .

    Comment by bais yaakov girl — September 1, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

  7. my grandma likes to tell stories at the shabbos table where such goings on were the norm (shidduchim made alongside cattle bartering…….) ive been told id fetch two geese AND a goat. thats a pretty huge deal apparenlty…wonder why im still single………………………………………….

    Comment by me — September 1, 2008 @ 10:20 pm

  8. and dont say its because of my terrible grammar and spelling

    Comment by me — September 1, 2008 @ 10:21 pm

  9. I just wanted to say that I particularly enjoyed this post. Thank you. :)

    Comment by Ezzie — September 2, 2008 @ 12:05 am

  10. LOL. You and your family are funny. I can just imagine it: the door bell ring, Bad4 opens up the door. “ma,” she yells, “there’s a boy outside with two cows, three chickens and one goat.” “Oh, good,” her mom answers, “That’s more than I expected.”

    Comment by EndOfWorld — September 2, 2008 @ 12:27 am

  11. lol..

    Comment by Rafi G — September 2, 2008 @ 1:43 am

  12. Hm, I wonder how much I would fetch? Bad4, you might not have a bad idea, there….if we can just get them to start pricing based on cattle prices, then we can get rid of all the shtusim.

    Comment by chanie — September 2, 2008 @ 6:48 am

  13. Great. Bad4! Now at a new, reduced price, this week only! Come and get her while she lasts!

    What is that…some type of test for Elul?

    Comment by G — September 2, 2008 @ 9:25 am

  14. Um, aren’t we the ones always compared to cattle?

    Comment by Michelle — September 2, 2008 @ 11:19 am

  15. Isn’t the girl the one supposed to provide the dowry of four cows and a chicken? :)

    Anyone have anything to say about the comment raised earlier by Yom Tova- that in Israel, the girl’s family must come up with at least 1/2 the money for an apartment, or no shidduch….
    As I’m living in Israel now, the topic touches many of my friends, and I’m curious what people have to say about it.

    Comment by NMF #7 — September 2, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

  16. Do you have to distinguish what kind of cow, one to eat, or to milk. Because I found out over the summer that they can’t do both.
    Milking takes so much energy that those cows look anorexic (seriously).

    Also which cows are more valuable, the meat or milk? Milk gives a continous supply, but is cheaper. Meat is more expensive, but is a one time deal…

    Comment by tooyoungtoteach — September 2, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

  17. NMF#7 – a man is only considered tov until he is married. Women don’t have to get married to be considered tov, and whole (whole long concept, not getting into it, but that’s the crux of it), we just want to do it more.

    So if you think about it, men need us more than we need them…Why we’re paying for them is a good question…if you’re in Israel, stay single.

    Comment by tooyoungtoteach — September 2, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

  18. A plug for Binah. I find Binah, on a whole, interesting and well written, containing many thought provoking articles that apply to the Jewish woman. Last week, Binah had an article written by an almana about running a single parent household. This week, there was an article about teaching children emotional intelligence and a short story about the lifelong friendship of two women that became baalei teshuva. Yes, Orthodox Jewish newspapers do have to work on their journalistic integrity etc but that is another rant.

    The know-it-all undertone is seen in all women’s magazines – Martha Stewart Living etc. – No, your life is not fulfilled if you don’t buy clipboards and decorate them with wallpaper and create a work area for paying bills.

    This from an MBA grad and avid Wall Street Journal fan (and Hamodia, Yated, and drudgereport.com)

    Comment by Anonygirl — September 2, 2008 @ 1:52 pm

  19. Bad4, this was good. Really good.

    I miss you guys. :(

    Comment by Mindy in Israel — September 2, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

  20. The only problem with using the cow method is that the Cattle Market Exhange–think a stock exchange for livestock–keeps changing the price. And like other markets, they are in a slump right now. How many cows you might be worth is highly speculative.

    Comment by ProfK — September 3, 2008 @ 9:27 am

  21. I am rolling that other people also use the cattle scale! My father always had this thing – whenever I’d make him a really good coffee, he’d boost my “selling price” by two or three cows, but with every scar I’d get, he’d jokingly shake his head, wondering how he’d marry me off with my diminishing worth of livestock…

    Comment by Michal — September 3, 2008 @ 10:08 am

  22. This from an MBA grad and avid Wall Street Journal fan (and Hamodia, Yated, and drudgereport.com)

    I’m sorry, was that supposed to boost your credibility?

    Comment by G — September 3, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

  23. I actually do like reading Binah, even though I’m apparently not the target audience. I prefer it to Mishpacha and Family First, at any rate, though Mordechai Schmutter writes the funniest Jewish humor column I’ve ever read.

    (I agree–the Yated and Hamodia basically close all conversations. And if someone brings up the Jewish Press . . . )

    Comment by bais yaakov girl — September 3, 2008 @ 5:01 pm

  24. Hey. I *like* the Jewish Press.

    And just because as a poor starving stuggling student who can’t afford to put bread on the table (which is why I’m staying at my grandmother ;) ) I can’t afford to buy newspapers doesn’t mean I’m not cultured. I read- um- blogs! :P

    Comment by Mindy in Israel — September 3, 2008 @ 5:57 pm

  25. that reminded me… where’s my national geographic from 1969?

    Comment by mickey mouse — September 4, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

  26. G, while the items in parentheses were a digression of the focus of my comment, they were included to give the reader a frame of reference as to my preferred reading material. As to credibility, I’m anonymous – I have no credibility.

    Comment by Anonygirl — September 8, 2008 @ 1:56 pm


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