The nice thing about dating is that when it goes right, everyone is happy, and when it goes wrong, there’s always a lesson to be learned. Here are few lessons we can learn from…
…the guy who spat at a man wearing a “free Palestine” t-shirt in Times Square. When the man whirled around, the guy took off running in the opposite direction, where he found a cop and complained about being harassed. Obviously, this guy didn’t realize that politics is taboo on a first date. Or, for that matter, acting like a complete sniveling coward.
…the guy who will forever live on in his date’s mind as “Drunken Vomit Boy.” This is because he thought it was cute on the first date to tell about the time he went drinking with a coworker and woke up three hours later in the hospital with vomit on his shirt and bruises around his head. Granted, you’re supposed to be honest on a date. But there’s a difference between “honest” and “tell-all.” Note for guys: girls tend to be less than amused by tales of inebriated escapades, no matter how funny they seemed at the time.
…the guy who, well… Let’s try it this way: One friend was a bit put out when her date took her to a nice restaurant on their third date, and his parents just “happened” to be there already. “He could have passed it off as an accident if he knew how to act, but he didn’t,” she said. “But, you know, it would have been more considerate if he’d at least been a man and said he wanted to introduce me to his parents. Or even introduced me. Because he didn’t. So I just got the feeling that they wanted to look at me. Totally gross.” The moral is, don’t play games.
In the same vein, there was the girl who googled her guy’s name, only to find… his modeling webpage. It included his portfolio, complete with shots of him with his arms around the waists of pretty women. When she called and asked him about it, he flatly denied it. When she said she had the webpage open and the guy looked exactly like him and also shared his name (what a coincidence), he got sulky and lashed out, saying that “not everyone can live at home until they’re 25; some people need to do something called ‘getting a job.’” Though the obvious moral is “don’t act like an immature jerk,” I think she got lucky here. So if you are an immature jerk, do us a favor and make it obvious from the start.
…the guy who freaked his date out with his choice of conversation. It has always been the male way to attract a mate by showing off. What was formerly hunting skills and brute strength now manifests as wealth and knowledge. But still, not all knowledge is equal. For example, on a first date, while sitting and sipping drinks, the girl does not want the benefit of your encyclopedic knowledge of date rape techniques. It will make her clutch her drink more tightly, sip more slowly, and wonder why, oh why, do you know all this?
Also, while wealth is indeed attractive, obsession with it is not. For example, by telling a gal who loves writing that bestselling authors should stop writing the better to live it up with their wealth. Nor should you then wax on about how in general you think that people with too much money should just stop working and live a profligate, hedonistic lifestyle, because after all, isn’t that the point? Just an aside: it isn’t the point. Writers generally enjoy writing, and don’t care as much about the money. Indeed, writing happens to be the one profession where you can have zero income and nobody thinks you’re a total failure or weirdo. In the broader view, many people work because they enjoy being productive. Money is not the only thing they think about. Women comprise a huge proportion of the workforce who do things because they love it (this is why they tend to group in the services industries), so revealing to a woman that you think work is solely about money is not a winning strategy.
While we’re at it, not all women are impressed when you do 60 in a 30mph zone, or wonder aloud who on earth actually stops at stop signs, as you zip past at full throttle. Although all that stuff about treating women as delicate creatures who require extra courtesy is outdated, the stuff about pretending to be civilized and leaving the rough talk and behavior for after the ladies have retired to the drawing room does still hold. Of course, playing the courteous and manly character is always appreciated:
For example, the guy who showed up to a fourth date to find the young lady feeling ill. “If we’re just gonna go to a lounge,” she suggested, “How about we stay right here instead?” So they sat on a couch in her basement and had diet cokes, and it was just the same as a lounge date would have been, except that he hadn’t eaten since breakfast and had been planning to take her to a restaurant, not a lounge. He didn’t tell her that until after the wedding, though. So you see, being a gentleman never hurts.
Well said!
Comment by patricia batton — June 26, 2009 @ 9:05 am
ooooh, what about the guy who called the girl and said he likes her, just not the way she dressess. it was too conservative for him and he was looking for a girl who would go a little more hoochy, and would she be ok with that.
or the guy who spent the evening regaling his date with “stories from yeshiva” that mostly involved him and his freinds, their brass nuckle, and “beatin up the stupid shvartzes”
or the guy who wasnt going to tough her, but who brushed her arm up and down with a snapple bottle..
or the guy who complimented his date by doing that supre pervy had gesture thing where he creates the silhoueete of her curves with his hands and winked….
not all these happened to me
but i guess the moral for guys at least, is dont be a totall creep, its just not attractive.
and for girls we can go with: invest in some good quality pepper spray and a self defense class.
Comment by d — June 26, 2009 @ 11:11 am
sorry, i meanth “wasnt going to touch her”
Comment by d — June 26, 2009 @ 11:11 am
I don’t think I deserve to ever complain about dating again! (But I will anyway
)
Comment by BSD36578 — June 26, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Some of these are unbelievable if we didn’t have concrete evidence the jerk qualities men evince. For example, see:http://kallahmagazine.blogspot.com/2009/06/eligible-bachelor-lacking-in-funds-but.html
Comment by Ariella Brown — June 26, 2009 @ 1:15 pm
Too me this is just another example of how all the Ashkenazi “black hat” people with all their references and preferences and interrogations don’t actually succeed in getting girls guys that are halfway normal..
Comment by lomo — June 26, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
“Lomo”– so true. I love how they think knowing a girl’s dress size or whether she wears denim will determine whether she’s a good wife and mother. Ugh, pleeezz, don’t get me started.
As far as the last story you told, Bad4, I think it was really special of him to agree to it altogether, k”v not having eaten.
Although I don’t do Bashows (sp?) I think that sounds like fun – except for the not feeling well part.
Comment by Michelle — June 26, 2009 @ 5:33 pm
thanks for a post that makes me seem stable and ordinary
Comment by Ben — June 27, 2009 @ 11:24 pm
Girls
————are like apples
——–on trees. The best ones
——are at the top of the tree
—-The boys dont want to reach
—for the good ones because they
-are afraid of falling and getting hurt.
Instead, they just get the rotten apples
-from the ground that aren’t as good,
but easy. So the apples at the top think
-something is wrong with them, when in
–reality, they’re amazing. They just
—have to wait for the right boy to
—– come along, the one who’s
———– brave enough to
—————–climb all
—————– the way
—————–to the top
—————-of the tree…
Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2009 @ 1:59 am
I am disappointed that you failed to include “lack of basic derech eretz” regarding this dude’s behavior, and that no one else commented on it. As if someone’s political viewpoint is a cause for harrassment. I’ll tell you one thing, he sure didn’t score any points for israel. any more than an arab spittingin your face would score points with you.
“…the guy who spat at a man wearing a “free Palestine” t-shirt in Times Square. When the man whirled around, the guy took off running in the opposite direction, where he found a cop and complained about being harassed. Obviously, this guy didn’t realize that politics is taboo on a first date. Or, for that matter, acting like a complete sniveling coward.”
Comment by kisarita — June 28, 2009 @ 2:21 am
I wonder if every normal single guy who reads this blog is
a) appalled or
b) thinking “wow, this is my competition! that’s great for me!” – *
I can’t for the life of me understand what’s so difficult about being a) a gentleman [of sorts, at least!] and b) not a moron.
* Note: Perhaps another reason the “good” guys are so picky. They look around and think they’re the best thing out there. (Only somewhat kidding.)
Comment by Ezzie — June 28, 2009 @ 3:27 am
Those people who wear black hats are all the same, judging people by their clothing size and stance on wearing denim, without bothering to look behind those superficial details.
Comment by anonymous — June 28, 2009 @ 4:17 am
#12 -Was that supposed to be sarcastic, or do you not see the irony in your statement?
Comment by Ben — June 28, 2009 @ 4:34 am
I was trying to point out the irony in the statements of some previous poster, but I suppose that I should have made that more obvious.
Comment by anonymous — June 28, 2009 @ 5:10 am
“I can’t for the life of me understand what’s so difficult about being a) a gentleman [of sorts, at least!] and b) not a moron.”
1) Chivalry is dead.
2) I think it has to do with the Y chromosome.
Comment by Scraps — June 28, 2009 @ 10:52 am
1) I’ve seen it (/done it).
2) Meh.
Comment by Ezzie — June 28, 2009 @ 11:22 am
the best advice i ever got about dating, is find the girl who you want to make her happy.
thats why a guy doesnt mind sitting starving on her couch, or listening to her talk about nothing for hours. if he likes her enough, he wants to make her happy
Comment by harryer-than-them-all — June 28, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
boys
————are like apples
——–on trees. The best ones
——are at the top of the tree
—-The girls dont want to reach
—for the good ones because they
-are afraid of falling and getting hurt.
Instead, they just get the rotten apples
-from the ground that aren’t as good,
but easy. So the apples at the top think
-something is wrong with them, when in
–reality, they’re amazing. They just
—have to wait for the right girl to
—– come along, the one who’s
———– brave enough to
—————–climb all
—————– the way
—————–to the top
—————-of the tree…
Comment by yoni — June 28, 2009 @ 6:30 pm
(thanks anon)
Comment by yoni — June 28, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
How about we forget comparing apples and oranges — worse yet, fruit and people.
Comment by Ariella Brown — June 29, 2009 @ 10:36 pm
i agree with harry.
i think that you should NEVER act like a jerk, it makes your parents look bad.
but more importantly, find hte person that makes you want to be the best you can be. who brigns out the best in you, who you feel believes in you more than you believe in yourself and you dont want to disappoint (that different than someone who you feel you are disappointing. that would be a BAD relationship.)
Comment by d — June 30, 2009 @ 11:36 am